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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2015.02.14 14:30:22 -
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Instead of asking why players stay in NPC Corps a better question to ask is why should players join a player corp. What advantages especially is high sec is there for joining a player corp?
This subject has been discussed to death now and the results has always been the same, the advantages for players to stay in a NPC corp far far outweigh being in a player corp.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2015.02.14 16:40:17 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Hey, maybe CCP can make the Drifters wage war on all the NPC corps and attack their member pod pilots much like war decs. So if you want to avoid the slew of nasty NPCs attacking at every gate, you leave the NPC corp for a player corp that has neutral standings to the Drifters.
Nice idea... that is if you want even more people to leave Eve.
As myself and many many many (that would be lots) other people have said before, until CCP make player driven corps in High Sec worth while then there is no incentive for new and old players to join them.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2015.02.14 19:54:51 -
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Lupe Meza wrote:Why does it fall on CCP to implement a features to drive players out of player corps, rather than players doing things to attract players into their organizations?
A lot of the criticism of why people don't join player corps shared in this thread come down to players having to jump through arguably unreasonable hurdles to join, their privacy compromised, how they play compromised (Stay docked, cease all activity during war), and exposing themselves to even more potential for griefplay to name some of the ones that come up repeatedly. All of these are the result of player/community instituted actions, behaviors, and policies.
It seems that other players drive players away from player run organizations, particularly in High Sec. Is it that NPC corps are the problem, or is it that the player corp landscape has been made so unattractive by the players.
CCP implements tools to alleviate some of the more glaring things, having an option for concord intervention in intercorp aggression, implementing more robust networking tools for players in the form of social corps; things that will directly increase the likelihood of being able to build some measure of the trust required to join a player corp and it is viewed as the end of days.
Why would or should they do anything with NPC corps to absolve the players of their culpability in the environment they themselves created? And when they do step in to address the things we are doing that are keeping players out of our own corps, we condemn the actions. Classic damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.
Remember this is Eve and the one thing you can garatuee with this community is that it is never their fault... Ever.
All you will get is the standard response of HTFU and go back to WoW if you don't like it. I have never know this community to hold up their hands and go yeah.. actually part of the problem of new player retention is our attuide towards them and same can be said of encouraging players to join player created corps.
Yes CCP could do a lot more but then so could the community but it will never happen hence why Eve will always struggle to retain players, hence the average PCU count going downwards trend yet again. |

Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2015.02.18 18:40:39 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Wardecs - ruinous to newbie corps, minor inconvenience and generally irrelevant to everyone else. So, you'd support just removing them then?
I can certainly see the day CCP do remove them.
If they keep hemorrhaging new players at the rate they are as well as losing existing players they might have to.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2015.03.14 09:23:03 -
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So 13 pages in and I have yet to see anybody give a good reason why players should leave a NPC corp if they are based in HS and even low sec depending on what they are doing
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2015.03.14 20:03:30 -
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I will throw my own two pence in.
NPC Corps are one of many things CCP has gotten badly wrong and failed to correct it until it has become almost impossible to do anything with.
For me NPC corps should of only ever of been something that a player stayed in short while whilst searching for another corp or when taking time out.
Yes I agree that war decs are complete rubbish and need to be completely scrapped and started over again but it will never happen.
The thing is this topic has come up time and time again and the truth of the matter nothing will ever change because CCP will never nerf NPC corps or do awsy with war decs whilst the PCU continues on its downwards curve and they are losing subs so get used to it. |

Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2015.03.15 13:40:27 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: It does not reflect on the mechanical level of risk that we accept that other people don't have the balls to do anything about it. I swear, with people like you playing the game, we could fly around in totally tankless ships and not have to worry about it. Oh wait, we do, because you thumbless cowards never bother shooting back.
I just want to discuss this one point about people being cowards and not fighting back.
Here is the thing.... why should they?
People constantly bang on about Eve being a sandbox but the moment somebody choses not to their game they result to insults.
Also all a person needs to do is spend a couple of minutes looking at a characters kill board to realise that they will be no match for them and will also assume that they will have neutral alts tracking there movements because this is Eve and everybody has alts.
So why bother fighting when you are certain that you lose?
You call them cowards but I call it common sense. |

Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2015.03.15 15:28:08 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:I just want to discuss this one point about people being cowards and not fighting back.
Here is the thing.... why should they?
People constantly bang on about Eve being a sandbox but the moment somebody choses not to their game they result to insults.
Also all a person needs to do is spend a couple of minutes looking at a characters kill board to realise that they will be no match for them and will also assume that they will have neutral alts tracking there movements because this is Eve and everybody has alts.
So why bother fighting when you are certain that you lose?
You call them cowards but I call it common sense. If you won't defend what is yours, you also relinquish the right to complain. I say "won't" because EVE is a sandbox and not defending yourself is a choice. As you know, farming kills in the sandbox is possible. Screaming to be left alone on the other hand doesn't work quite as well. Being victimized and farmed for kills is the sandbox working as intended. The question is, what would these so called victims do in the sandbox to change that?
Utter rubbish, of course you can complain. In most war decs the defenders stand no chance. They are going up against people who hold all the cards. They have the advantage in every respect and it is almost impossible for the defenders to win.
In most war decs the choice is to station spin or not login to deny kills or get slaughtered.... Some choice.
I know of no other game where it is as easy to farm kills as it is in Eve with so little risk.
You can drone on about the sandbox as much as you like but ultimately it is the sandbox which is slowly killing this game.
I for one would be happy to sacrifice some small element of the sandbox if it means getting more new players into Eve and getting them to stay. |

Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2015.03.16 15:08:04 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Before Demerius comes back in here to tell me what he thinks I believe, I'll go ahead and summarize it:
I have no problem shooting at people who can shoot back.
What I do have a problem with is petty little videogame fascists who want to tell me who I should or shouldn't be able to shoot at.
And since those people very often coincide with the people who would like to see my ability to shoot at them disappear entirely, they become preferred targets.
You do realise that are you also trying to tell people how they should play |

Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2015.03.22 09:05:14 -
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Nothing will change as it is the nature of the game.
The same can be said for new player retention.
Until CCP vastly improve the facilities for searching for a new corp and improve the value of HS Corps then nothing will change |
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